Episode 62 opens with quick hits on T-Mobile's satellite phone service and a run of Alps headlines — climbers requesting paid rescue after ignoring a Mont Blanc closure, a family of 36 rescued in the Austrian high country, and Kilian Jornet's viral post on the range's fast-changing climate — before Sam and Adrian sit down with Cody Townsend and Tommy Caldwell to talk through their spring traverse of Norman's 13.

Norman's 13 links the Sierra's thirteen 14,000-foot peaks from Mt. Langley to North Palisade, a route of over 100 miles and 40,000 vertical feet that had never been done in winter. 

• Townsend, a self-described "5.9 climber and 5.14 skier," recruited Caldwell — the inverse — after cold-emailing him with the idea; a day of simul-climbing at Lover's Leap and some recon skiing on Mt. Sill convinced them their risk tolerances matched well enough to commit. 

• Traveling south to north over eight days with cameraman Bjarne Salén, they broke the route into three distinct stretches: a technical run through the Whitney-area peaks, a 50-mile bushwhack and river-forge through John Muir Trail sequoia groves, and a final rope-and-crampons push across the notoriously exposed Palisades Traverse.

• The trip nearly broke both of them. Townsend fought a lung infection and food poisoning through the early days, and a 25-hour closing push through isothermic snow — on a catastrophically failed ski boot — tested everyone's limits. 

• The two talk candidly about reading the line between suffering and real danger, the odd role reversal of a rock climber staying calm on exposed skiing while a skier plunge-steps nervously on rock, and how the trip changed the way Townsend plans traverses going forward. 

• A film on the expedition, shot largely on iPhone after their camera batteries mysteriously died, is due out this fall.

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The Duffel Shuffle Podcast is supported by Alpenglow Expeditions, an internationally renowned mountain guide service based in Lake Tahoe, California. Visit https://alpenglowexpeditions.com/ or follow @alpenglowexpeditions on Instagram to learn more.

Emily Harrington is a professional rock climber, alpinist, and adventurer known for pushing the boundaries of what's possible in the vertical world. A five-time American sport climbing champion and member of The North Face athlete team, Emily has established herself as one of the most accomplished and versatile climbers of her generation, with landmark ascents on big walls and high-altitude peaks around the world.

For Emily, climbing is as much about the journey and the people as it is about the summit. Whether projecting the hardest multi-pitch routes in Mexico or commentating a live Netflix broadcast of Alex Honnold free soloing Taipei 101, she brings the same curiosity, grit, and openness to every experience.

- Emily recently served as a commentator for Netflix's "Skyscraper Live", in which Alex Honnold free soloed Taipei 101. The experience offered a behind-the-scenes look at the complexity of live television production — coordinating hundreds of crew members while capturing one of climbing's most audacious feats in real time.

- On a recent trip to Mexico, Emily attempted "La Sombra del Chamán," widely considered the hardest multi-pitch route in the country. The climb tested her relationship with fear and exposure on big walls and led to a deeply personal decision to step back from her own send attempt to support her climbing partner, Matt Segal.

- After a busy stretch of travel and high-output experiences, Emily reflects honestly on nervous system overload and the quiet loss of motivation that can follow — and what it looks like to reset, recalibrate, and find joy in climbing again, as she's currently doing on a low-key rock climbing trip in Italy with minimal gear and zero performance pressure.

To learn more about Emily Harrington, follow her on Instagram @emilyaharrington. Her new documentary Girl Climber follows her career-defining attempt to free climb El Capitan in under 24 hours — becoming the first woman to free climb the 36-pitch Golden Gate route in a day, a feat previously accomplished only by male climbers like Alex Honnold and Tommy Caldwell. Watch Girl Climber now on Prime Video or stream it at jolt.film/watch/girlclimber.

Follow our podcast on Instagram @duffelshufflepodcast where you can learn more about us and our guests. Visit our website at www.duffelshufflepodcast.com and join our mailing list. The Duffel Shuffle Podcast is supported by Alpenglow Expeditions, an internationally renowned mountain guide service based in Lake Tahoe, California. Visit www.alpenglowexpeditions.com or follow @alpenglowexpeditions on Instagram to learn more.

Yosemite Valley legend Tommy Caldwell joins Sam and Adrian on Episode 18 of the Duffel Shuffle Podcast. Tommy talks about this season in Yosemite Valley, and why moving his family to South Lake Tahoe has changed how he's able to climb in the valley. He also talks about his recent film, The Devil's Climb, which covers his recent trip to climb the Devils Thumb in Alaska with Alex Honnold. Tommy admits that his true passion in climbing is the sufferfest expeditions, but really he just loves climbing regardless of what it entails. 

Follow Tommy on Instagram @tommycaldwell, and check out The Devil's Climb.